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		<title>By: alie</title>
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		<dc:creator>alie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i  have to do a research and make charts all about japan , and the school warned as not to make anything  that has to do with the chinese . and now that i got lost &quot;does geisha belongs to the chinse people or the japanese  ? &quot;
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the kimono girls belong to japanese people , right ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i  have to do a research and make charts all about japan , and the school warned as not to make anything  that has to do with the chinese . and now that i got lost &#8220;does geisha belongs to the chinse people or the japanese  ? &#8221;<br />
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the kimono girls belong to japanese people , right ?</p>
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		<title>By: Odessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eheh, do a little more research &quot;Katsu&quot;... half the cast of that movie DID NOT speak English and had to learn their lines phonetically. The reason they have a lot of Chinese actors is because well... take a look at things... how many Japanese actors are out there? Okay, so there was mention of Koyuki for one of the main three roles... what about the other two? What film makers do when they are creating a movie is suspension of belief. This is an entirely made up world. There isn&#039;t an over abundance of Japanese actresses unfortunately, at least not immediately available in the U.S. 

Though I will say that before anyone else would at all fuss there was also the actress that played Chiyo that was Japanese as well a slew of other actors/actresses.

And more than anything... why exactly does it matter the precise race of the actors/actresses? It is because people are so up in arms when there is a lack of &quot;political correctness&quot; or acknowledge of a race or culture THAT REINFORCES RACISM. How? Try closing your eyes for once when you talk to someone. Hear what they have to say. Culture is very important, but the person themselves as an individual means more.

And... are you a Japanese person living in Hungary? If not, you should be using your own name or something of Hungarian culture so you maintain political correctness and pride in who you are. Unless it&#039;s all just acting. Then everything is okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eheh, do a little more research &#8220;Katsu&#8221;&#8230; half the cast of that movie DID NOT speak English and had to learn their lines phonetically. The reason they have a lot of Chinese actors is because well&#8230; take a look at things&#8230; how many Japanese actors are out there? Okay, so there was mention of Koyuki for one of the main three roles&#8230; what about the other two? What film makers do when they are creating a movie is suspension of belief. This is an entirely made up world. There isn&#8217;t an over abundance of Japanese actresses unfortunately, at least not immediately available in the U.S. </p>
<p>Though I will say that before anyone else would at all fuss there was also the actress that played Chiyo that was Japanese as well a slew of other actors/actresses.</p>
<p>And more than anything&#8230; why exactly does it matter the precise race of the actors/actresses? It is because people are so up in arms when there is a lack of &#8220;political correctness&#8221; or acknowledge of a race or culture THAT REINFORCES RACISM. How? Try closing your eyes for once when you talk to someone. Hear what they have to say. Culture is very important, but the person themselves as an individual means more.</p>
<p>And&#8230; are you a Japanese person living in Hungary? If not, you should be using your own name or something of Hungarian culture so you maintain political correctness and pride in who you are. Unless it&#8217;s all just acting. Then everything is okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what nationality the actors/actresses are? The entire definition of acting is &quot;pretending to be something you&#039;re not&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what nationality the actors/actresses are? The entire definition of acting is &#8220;pretending to be something you&#8217;re not&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Sing Song</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Sing Song</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the traditional Chinese courtesan died out more officially during 1860s.. but the culture was immitated during later times..which became corrupted.. and degenerated to a mostly prostitute culture.
Much of the downfall was due to the rise of the manchurian takeover.
the qing dynasty and the new laws.

Before qing dynasty.. han culture had a very rich and written, &quot;flower and willow world&quot; as opposed to the realm of the wind and moon.

the term geisha actually originates from official terms used in Imperial China 


艺妓，乐妓，生妓， 名妓 

and countless more.

of course you have your high ranking, lucky few..
and you have rock bottom.. but that variation is in every culture

&quot;There actually is/was such thing as Chinese geisha.
however, they do not share the same name as the Japanese geisha, and the culture differs from their japanese counterpart. 
The Chinese figures are a predecessor of the Japanese geisha. 

In ancient china there was no stylized differentiation of classifying names due to the general degradation of women. 

They were classified among the prostitutes and in fact a character in their name means prostitute today, 

艺妓，乐妓，名妓 ... etc. 
Yiji, Yueji, Mingji

though in the ancient time, those terms did not only mean prostitute.. it was just a general offical name.. 
Some of them did not provided any sexual service.. and they still were recognized by that name.. the term during the more ancient periods, implied performer sometimes. 

There are educational accounts and texts that have adopted the Japanese institution, geisha, for refering to a certain class of Chinese courtesan. 

for in fact some services of these ancient chinese women were mostly delt with classical Chinese arts; calligraphy, painting, music, poetry etc. 
and even spiritual, mutual understandings with clients of intellectual kind. 

There are traces of this geisha tradition in a more primal form throughout the earliest dynasties of China. 

Where they observe many values of humanity as they live extraordinary lives.
the accounts of the most famous of the Chinese geisha were recognized.. 

especially courtesans like 苏小小 Su Xiao Xiao from 502 Qi Dynasty China. 

A woman who explored values of love, humanity and beauty. 

They (like the Japanese) marked importance in that they did not prostitute themselves: &quot;they sell their art, not their body.&quot; 
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The two cultures japan and China concidering geisha can not be congenially compared. 

They are very different figures related to eachother, 

Chinese Geisha no longer exist today because chinese cultural revolution wiped all traces of courtesan culture.. Japanese Geisha are not even allowed in China. 



by &quot;Nightingale&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the traditional Chinese courtesan died out more officially during 1860s.. but the culture was immitated during later times..which became corrupted.. and degenerated to a mostly prostitute culture.<br />
Much of the downfall was due to the rise of the manchurian takeover.<br />
the qing dynasty and the new laws.</p>
<p>Before qing dynasty.. han culture had a very rich and written, &#8220;flower and willow world&#8221; as opposed to the realm of the wind and moon.</p>
<p>the term geisha actually originates from official terms used in Imperial China </p>
<p>艺妓，乐妓，生妓， 名妓 </p>
<p>and countless more.</p>
<p>of course you have your high ranking, lucky few..<br />
and you have rock bottom.. but that variation is in every culture</p>
<p>&#8220;There actually is/was such thing as Chinese geisha.<br />
however, they do not share the same name as the Japanese geisha, and the culture differs from their japanese counterpart.<br />
The Chinese figures are a predecessor of the Japanese geisha. </p>
<p>In ancient china there was no stylized differentiation of classifying names due to the general degradation of women. </p>
<p>They were classified among the prostitutes and in fact a character in their name means prostitute today, </p>
<p>艺妓，乐妓，名妓 &#8230; etc.<br />
Yiji, Yueji, Mingji</p>
<p>though in the ancient time, those terms did not only mean prostitute.. it was just a general offical name..<br />
Some of them did not provided any sexual service.. and they still were recognized by that name.. the term during the more ancient periods, implied performer sometimes. </p>
<p>There are educational accounts and texts that have adopted the Japanese institution, geisha, for refering to a certain class of Chinese courtesan. </p>
<p>for in fact some services of these ancient chinese women were mostly delt with classical Chinese arts; calligraphy, painting, music, poetry etc.<br />
and even spiritual, mutual understandings with clients of intellectual kind. </p>
<p>There are traces of this geisha tradition in a more primal form throughout the earliest dynasties of China. </p>
<p>Where they observe many values of humanity as they live extraordinary lives.<br />
the accounts of the most famous of the Chinese geisha were recognized.. </p>
<p>especially courtesans like 苏小小 Su Xiao Xiao from 502 Qi Dynasty China. </p>
<p>A woman who explored values of love, humanity and beauty. </p>
<p>They (like the Japanese) marked importance in that they did not prostitute themselves: &#8220;they sell their art, not their body.&#8221;<br />
-<br />
The two cultures japan and China concidering geisha can not be congenially compared. </p>
<p>They are very different figures related to eachother, </p>
<p>Chinese Geisha no longer exist today because chinese cultural revolution wiped all traces of courtesan culture.. Japanese Geisha are not even allowed in China. </p>
<p>by &#8220;Nightingale&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Sing Song</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reality check.. Chinese geisha do exist.. under many names.. in fact they are a major predecessor to the Japanese courtesan culture.

Japanese geisha were in fact formed by the social strictures imposed because of confucianism.

which is minor to the fact that China has an even more notorious &quot;geisha&quot; idea for woman.

Your post is ill researched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reality check.. Chinese geisha do exist.. under many names.. in fact they are a major predecessor to the Japanese courtesan culture.</p>
<p>Japanese geisha were in fact formed by the social strictures imposed because of confucianism.</p>
<p>which is minor to the fact that China has an even more notorious &#8220;geisha&#8221; idea for woman.</p>
<p>Your post is ill researched.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Your point is spot on and I can&#039;t see why Zhang should be criticised for an amazing job, the film cleary was a tremendous success and she played her part extremely well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Your point is spot on and I can&#8217;t see why Zhang should be criticised for an amazing job, the film cleary was a tremendous success and she played her part extremely well.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhang Yuki</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this film, and I dont really find it racist that they cast a chinese person in this role.  Zhang Ziyi is a brilliant actress and is very good in this role.  I have only seen a couple of actual geisha preformances, as like most for most Japanese they&#039;re a bit too expensive to go to alot! :)  Though my great grandmother knew one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this film, and I dont really find it racist that they cast a chinese person in this role.  Zhang Ziyi is a brilliant actress and is very good in this role.  I have only seen a couple of actual geisha preformances, as like most for most Japanese they&#8217;re a bit too expensive to go to alot! <img src='http://www.randomwire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Though my great grandmother knew one!</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the age when Americans could actually read is so over, Janelle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the age when Americans could actually read is so over, Janelle?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this interesting, since the majority of Scottish blockbuster films that are without Scots in the leading roles.  For example, Liam Neeson and Jessica Lange in &#039;Rob Roy&#039;, which at least was mostly filmed in Scotland, &#039;Braveheart&#039; with Mel Gibson (!) as the Scottish protagonist - filmed in IRELAND.  &#039;Highlander&#039;, with Christopher Lambert as the leading man...French.  Mike Myers as various Scottish roles - Shrek for example.  If a Scottish accent was a must for Shrek, why not use, well, A SCOT! (Euan MacGregor for example).  Let&#039;s not even discuss &#039;The Water Horse&#039; or &#039;Loch Ness&#039;...please.  Yes, ignorance is a funny thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this interesting, since the majority of Scottish blockbuster films that are without Scots in the leading roles.  For example, Liam Neeson and Jessica Lange in &#8216;Rob Roy&#8217;, which at least was mostly filmed in Scotland, &#8216;Braveheart&#8217; with Mel Gibson (!) as the Scottish protagonist &#8211; filmed in IRELAND.  &#8216;Highlander&#8217;, with Christopher Lambert as the leading man&#8230;French.  Mike Myers as various Scottish roles &#8211; Shrek for example.  If a Scottish accent was a must for Shrek, why not use, well, A SCOT! (Euan MacGregor for example).  Let&#8217;s not even discuss &#8216;The Water Horse&#8217; or &#8216;Loch Ness&#8217;&#8230;please.  Yes, ignorance is a funny thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Katsushika</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi im Katsushika Matsuyama ( thats of course not my real name just my nickname), and i have studied the lives, tradition, custom and i can say everithing about the geisha for i can say 4 years now. &lt;br&gt;i had read the book and seen the film, and a have to agree with the ones who say they should have paid attention to the customs, and almos everything. if a look at the film adeptly i would say they [edit] up the whole story. if i look at the film as an ordinary women i say it so beautiful and sad and etc. &lt;br&gt;you have to know that word to see the wrongs in that film.&lt;br&gt;it is more for the show.&lt;br&gt;about the actors, they only searched for asian actors who speak english, and thats why there are so many many chinese in this film about a unequivocally japanese story. yeah there is ken watanabe there, but they has stolen the idea from the last samurai.and i agree with Koishii too because the are a lot of good japanese actresses, they just didnt look for them.thats all.&lt;br&gt;Tom Cruise at least gone to Japan to make a film about something japan.&lt;br&gt;And for the audio, or stubtitle, Janerre, there are a lot of other countries outside of america, and this may be a hollywood movie, its still about a japanese world.not everything is america. im for example is from Hungary. &lt;br&gt;so thats what i wanted to tell.&lt;br&gt;bye&lt;br&gt;by: Katsu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi im Katsushika Matsuyama ( thats of course not my real name just my nickname), and i have studied the lives, tradition, custom and i can say everithing about the geisha for i can say 4 years now. <br />i had read the book and seen the film, and a have to agree with the ones who say they should have paid attention to the customs, and almos everything. if a look at the film adeptly i would say they [edit] up the whole story. if i look at the film as an ordinary women i say it so beautiful and sad and etc. <br />you have to know that word to see the wrongs in that film.<br />it is more for the show.<br />about the actors, they only searched for asian actors who speak english, and thats why there are so many many chinese in this film about a unequivocally japanese story. yeah there is ken watanabe there, but they has stolen the idea from the last samurai.and i agree with Koishii too because the are a lot of good japanese actresses, they just didnt look for them.thats all.<br />Tom Cruise at least gone to Japan to make a film about something japan.<br />And for the audio, or stubtitle, Janerre, there are a lot of other countries outside of america, and this may be a hollywood movie, its still about a japanese world.not everything is america. im for example is from Hungary. <br />so thats what i wanted to tell.<br />bye<br />by: Katsu</p>
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